Tuesday, July 6, 2010

Caste


The recent news about honor killings prompted me to delve deeper into the issue. During my research I understood that these killings are a result of caste system. To know more about it it I had to know more about the caste system.

First thing that came to my mind was that if this system is prevalent for such  a long time then there must be some advantage of the system. Thus this post lists some pros of the system then some cons of the system and finally I  end with my own perspective on it. 

One thing that I must say at this point is that I am no expert in history or society. So there might be some mistakes in my references to history. I apologize beforehand for that. One thing I believe is that I have freedom to have and share  my own perspective.

To start off following are the Pros of the system: -

It is to be understood first that the divisions were according to the jobs that people did. It had nothing to do with birth and the group in which you belonged could be changed by changing the work you do. For example a kshatriya could become brahmin if he became an intellectual.

The advantage of the system was that there was a proper division of work. It made the society more organized and hence strong.  There were four divisions according to works done.

Brahmin was the first division. It means the one who has realized brahmaand. It means the person who has realized god.This group of people were intellectuals and were responsible for teaching people and advising kings on matters of kingdom. They did not have to care about how to earn money for they solely lived on donations.

Kshatriya(क्षत्रिय )is a word derived from Sanskrit work ( क्षत्र ) means a warrior. This was the second division. This can be thought of as the army.  They were people who protected the society from external attacks.

Vaishya was the third divison. The word derives roots from  word vish which means "to work". They were the most well to do and were merchants and traders and were meant to handle the economy. They also had the responsibility to support brahmins and kshatriyas as they were source of generation of wealth.

Sudra was the fourth division. The etymology of the word is not clear. This group did tasks like craftsmen ship and human labor. They were the support system as they did what was necessary to support the economy. Tasks like farming, pottery etc. were done by them. 

This division was highly effective because it resulted into distribution of work among the groups or varna. The people of a particular group became increasingly effective in the jobs assigned to them and caused the society to flourish.

Cons of the system: -
The system although very effective in nature resulted into the identification of a person according to the group he/she belonged to. The  grouping also became extremely rigid with time. People were not allowed to change the group in which they belonged because some groups expressed their supremacy over others. 

The one thing that lead to nadir of the society was that group or varna of a person was determined by birth and not by looking at the skills. The family in which you took birth determined your group and status in society.  

My Perspective: - 

The above mentioned divisions were created for the division of work and were very logical but they were not formed with the intention that one group takes the advantage of the other by declaring one as supreme and other as lowly. Also birth had nothing to do with the groupings and initially people had full right to change their groups based on their ability.

Manu Smriti is considered the basic book in which caste ism is codified. it was a book written by an intellectual named Manu. Manu Smriti literally means "a collection of what manu has remembered". All that manu did was to write down what is observed regarding castes around him. So he was not a creator of anything. He was just a codifier. Manu himself says that if there is anything in his Smriti which is not acceptable to the conscience of any person, that person should reject it and act according to his/her own conscience. Which means that it is not a law that must be followed as it is done now a days.

Manu smriti was presented as a religious code or law by Britishers to serve their own purposes. Sir William Jones was the person in british era who introduced this document as a law for Hindus. He duly accepts that the document was tampered with and the existing version of manu smiriti is a doctored version that suited the British. 

The point of taking this fact into consideration is that the varna system was supported by British since it caused a division of society. The system was in perfect line with their policy of divide and rule. This caused a deep penetration in society and finally made the society so blind that people are now ready to kill their own sons and daughter just because they love and/or marry somebody outside their own caste. The system and the status that comes with it has surpassed the love in the relationship between parents and their children.  Lately I have read a lot about honor killings and seen public statements of people justifying their actions after killing their own family members. This paints a very sombre picture of the future of the society.

According to me the fact that some system is followed since a long time does not qualifies it as correct. The roots of the system must be understood and care must be taken weather the sole purpose for which the system was created is satisfied or not. The caste system is another system which is no longer serving its purpose and is causing more harm than benefits and that too for centuries now. It is high time people should let it go and embrace humanity.

To emphasize once again this is just my perspective on the topic and as always is open for discussion..


19 comments:

Swaroop said...

Almost everybody would agree with you.

Instead, you could have written about how to abolish this system or at the least modify it so as to reduce the problems.

But nevertheless, it's happy to see you address such issues.

Ashwath Kirthyvasan said...

Reminds me of my history class, but nonetheless true. All said and done, to get society to change in India will be one hell of a task.

Adj said...

A lot of it is history. I myself would like people to embrace humanity and all that stuff. But you also need to understand the concept behind gotra system along with caste system.

Basically gotra recognizes cousins. Its a well know fact that you should not marry your cousins, as it causes genetic problems to the child. But you can marry your fifth and beyond without having any genetic problem to the child. People don't understand that gotra remains the same, sometimes even upto tenth cousin and beyond.

So gotra system is some sense is good and there is no harm following it. But people need to understand the concept behind it.

Anyway ... Good post. Keep it up.

mihir said...

first of all the probability of falling in love with someone insanely that it makes you irrational is almost nil.

second if your family has loved you even b4 you were born whats the whole point in going against them for the sake of one instantaneous out-pour of emotions!

third, things are really flexible to deal with these days. if you can succeed in rationally convincing what you think then even family wont have much problem either..

so its really incorrect to write -'made the society so blind that people are now ready to kill their own sons and daughter just because they love and/or marry somebody outside their own caste'

Anonymous said...

i appreciate that atleast it provoked some thinking ..,

but well..,there is no deep analysis.., no deep research..,no solution either

Swaroop said...

@Adj:

I agree with you but don't you think it is the choice of the couple and they shouldn't be killed just because they made the wrong choice... :P

Ankit said...

Nice post Nitin. I agree with the anonymous reply that the post at least provoked some people to think, even though there may not be a solution given int he post itself..
Just thought I'll add a little more to what you have written, some scriptural background. Reason being, if one of us actually happens to discuss this subject with a supporter of these caste killings, at least this would help make a point on the basis of the same scriptures which they are misinterpreting..
First of all, the fact that the caste system was based only on "qualities and work done by a person" is mentioned in the Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 4, text 13:
cātur-varṇyaḿ mayā sṛṣṭaḿ
guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ
tasya kartāram api māḿ
viddhy akartāram avyayam
Note the words "guna" and "karma" in the second line, which refer to qualities (or more specifically the modes of nature a person has acquired) and work done by (or ascribed to) a person, respectively. The first line essentially translates to: "the four divisions of human society are created by Me." [Me-->Krishna, the speaker in this verse].

Secondly, the following verse appears in the Skanda Purana and basically predicts the situation of the varnashram system in the present times:

asuddhah sudra-kalpa hi
brahmanah kali-sambhavah

asuddhah - impure, sudra-kalpa - like sudras, brahmana - brahmanas, kali-sambhavah - born in Kali-yuga, present age of degradation

In the Kali-yuga brahmanas will certainly become like (be born as) impure sudras. (Without samskaras and spiritual training, the brahmanas of Kali-yuga are considered sudras.)

These two verses should give much clarification on the basis of Indian scriptural texts, to what you have already mentioned in your article.

Ankit said...

I thought I'll also talk about this other topic that many of us would be able to easily relate to, and is kind of similar to what caste system has become now. It is basically about the education system in India, and how people decide on what they are going to study, where they are going to study, all based on simply public opinion or peer pressure, rather than on the basis of their own interests. If a person is sharp, they are usually made to work hard towards getting into a god engineering or medical college/institute. Especially in engineering and particularly in IITs, a person decides their branch based almost entirely on their rank in the JEE. Neither the student nor the parents care to think about whether the branch is actually what the applicant would like to study, whether it is a field that they would want to work in later on.. More often than not, it is decided on the basis of the job scenario. Though this is based on the level of a person's intelligence, it is not based on his qualities or inclinations, and I'm sure we have seen our seniors, batchmates or juniors feeling completely disinterested in what they are doing, even as late as in the third or fourth years.

Anyways, I just wanted to raise this topic, though most of us know about this already - been there, done that. But at least we could guide any junior student properly if we get a chance to.

Nitin Kumar Singh said...

@Swaroop(1st Comment): - Thank you for the compliment. As far as the reduction of problems is concerned. I am going to write a part 2 of this post in which I will try to address those issues.

@Ashwath(2nd Comment): I Totally agree that it is one hell of a start but we all know that every journey starts with a single step. We have to take that step.

@Ankit Deep Jain - Adj(3rd Comment): - Statistics state that there is a 4% chance of problems with same cousin marriage. On the other hand 2% is chance between unrelated families. The problem with same cousin marriage is that if there is some genetic disorder then it gets amplified.

Current studies also indicate that cousin couples have a lower ratio of miscarriages—perhaps because body chemistry of cousins is more similar.

The gotra system basically identifies cousins and it is based on ancestors. Now all of us must realize that after independence there has been a population explosion so a lot many people come under the same gotras. This does not make any sence.

Also in south india, in maharashtra and within muslims there is no problems in marrying cousing. I dont see much of a genetic or other problem in that.

So according to be there is no point in following a gotra system.

@Mihir(4th Comment):
Please refer to the news on recent honour killings in which parents have killed their own siblins and then gave public interviews that what they did was justified because same gotra marriage is not acceptable in our society. What I have written is a fact and not my perspective.

Also why do you alwasys think the outpour of emotions and irrational thinking can affect only the person who commited to the marriage. Can the family not be irrational and have emotional outpour.

@Anonymous(5th Comment):
Thank you for pointing out where I am lacking. Will try to make up for analysis and deep research in the second part of this post.

@Ankit(7th Comment): Thanks a lot for doing such research. Will try to include that in the second part of the post.

@Ankit(8th Comment):
I agree with you on that. But I think the options that schoolgoing children have are still limited. They still have to choose betwen doctors and engineers. I personally have a hard time guiding juniors because they still have those options that I had in my time and hence can really guide them much.

Nitin Kumar Singh said...
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Nitin Kumar Singh said...

by the way the deleted comment was by me. I just posted my previous comment two times. :)

All are encouraged to comment.

Anonymous said...

Ditch !!

Unknown said...

Well, Nitin, I'm sorry I can't be as broadminded as you. I just refuse to see the viewpoint of a person who would kill his own kith & kin just to maintain his distorted conception of family pride. It's stuff like this that makes you wonder if democracy is actually all it's cracked up to be.

g2 said...

A thousand years of existence doesn't necessarily mean it is a good system but I personally believe that there is a certain amount of logic behind the caste system, the importance of which we fail to recognize...

If someone says caste "caste is evil and needs to be eradicated", it only shows his/her's complete ignorance of Indian culture

Ankit said...

@rajhansa and g2: agree with what both of you are saying.. it is the current notion of caste system that is seriously flawed, since people don't even understand the basis of such a system, but the actual system is very logical.. same's the case with many other controversies regarding Indian culture and practices like the dowry system.. When people start using these to serve their own selfish motives, then things obviously become ugly.

The caste system is definitely based on a very strong logic - that the inclinations and qualities of a person are supposed to determine which particular kind of profession they're most suited for. Even without the term 'caste system', this is what happens anyway in the society.
There are three reasons why the child of a brahmana was usually a brahmana or the same for the other castes. Firstly, they were genetically more apt to take up the same kind of profession (given that both parents were from the same caste, i.e. they both had similar interests and skills). Secondly, they would get a better facility for developing themselves in that particular line of work. And thirdly, since they would be brought up in such an atmosphere they would be very likely to have similar inclinations.
For this very reason, inter-caste marriages were discouraged; think of it as the child getting genes from two very different people, and speaking only biologically, s/he would have interests in a variety of things making it difficult for them to understand what profession is most suitable for them..

The problem comes when these are taken as rules instead of guidelines. This system was made to organize society in a very systematic manner. Today, however, the society has already become so complex, and people do the job of a kshatriya and call themselves brahmanas, so they can't be expected to follow the caste system as it was followed earlier. A possible way of understanding it is just translating the sanskrit terms to english - intellectuals (brahmanas), politicians/defense personnel (kshatriyas), businessmen (vaishyas) and the manual laborers (shudras).

Killing in the name of caste is just plain ignorance of the system, and must be punished like any other case of killing.

For more clarification on the caste system as it was, visit: http://www.ivarta.com/columns/OL_040602.htm

P.S. @nitin: a brahamana (or brahmin) is not one who has realized brahmaanda (universe or creation), but one who has realized Brahman (Absolute Truth).

Ankit said...

@rajhansa and g2: agree with what both of you are saying.. the current notion of caste system is what is seriously flawed, since people don't even understand the basis of such a system.. same's the case with many other controversies regarding Indian culture and practices like the dowry system..
The caste system is definitely based on a very strong logic, that of the inclinations and qualities of a person, which are supposed to determine which particular kind of profession he's most suited for. Even without the term 'caste system', this is what happens anyway in the society. There are three reasons why the child of a brahmana was usually a brahmana or the same for the other castes. Firstly, they were genetically more apt to take up the same kind of profession (given that both parents were from the same caste, i.e. they both had similar interests and skills). Secondly, they would get a better facility for developing themselves in that particular line of work. And thirdly, since they would be brought up in such an atmosphere they would be very likely to have similar inclinations.
For this very reason, inter-caste marriages were discouraged; think of it as the child getting genes from two very different people, and speaking only biologically, s/he would have interests in a variety of things making it difficult for them to understand what profession is most suitable for them..

The problem comes when these are taken as rules instead of guidelines. This system was made to organize society in a very systematic manner. Today, however, the society has already become so complex, and people do the job of a kshatriya and call themselves brahmanas, so they can't be expected to follow the caste system as it was followed earlier. A possible way of understanding it is just translating the sanskrit terms to english - intellectuals (brahmanas), politicians/defense personnel (kshatriyas), businessmen (vaishyas) and the manual laborers (shudras).

Killing in the name of caste is just plain ignorance of the system, and must be punished like any other case of killing.

Ankit said...

@nitin: dude, delete this and the above comment, i thought the first one didn't work coz it was too long.. :P

Ankit said...

Thought I'll add some more information about the varnas, more specifically the qualities that a person should have to belong to one of them. These are described in an Indian text called the Shrimad Bhagavatam, and appear in the 17th Chapter of the 11th Canto. The verse number for each translation is mentioned at the end of translation.

The various occupational and social divisions of human society appeared according to inferior and superior natures manifest in the situation of the individual's birth. [17.15]
Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, cleanliness, satisfaction, tolerance, simple straightforwardness, devotion to me, mercy and truthfulness are the natural qualities of the Brahmins. [17.16]
Dynamic power, bodily strength, determination, heroism, tolerance, generosity, great endeavour, steadiness, devotion to the Brahmins and leadership are the natural qualities of the ksatriyas. [17.17]
Faith in Vedic civilization, dedication to charity, freedom from hypocrisy, service to the Brahmins and perpetually desiring to accumulate more money are the natural qualities of the vaisyas. [17.18]
Service without duplicity to the Brahmins, cows, gods and other worshipable personalities, and complete satisfaction with whatever income is obtained in such service, are the natural qualities of sudras. [17.19]
Dirtiness, dishonesty, thievery, faithlessness, useless quarrel, lust, anger and hankering constitute the nature of those in the lowest position outside the varnasrama system. [17.20]
Nonviolence, truthfulness, honesty, desire for the happiness and welfare of all others and freedom from lust, anger and greed constitute duties for all members of society. [17.21]

[For more, refer to: http://oaks.nvg.org/ug17-18.html]

Anonymous said...

Good to see such a healthy discussion on one of the most prominent issues of our society.

Congos pinky. this is your third post in a year!